Therapeutic Wellness LLC | Local Leaders the Podcast #199

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to
another edition of Local Leaders of the Podcast.

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the podcast and the person sitting across from

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me I've known for a long time, shel Jan. I don't know how

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long we've known each other, but
it's been many, many years. It's

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been a while. You have worked
on me, you have worked on my

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kids, you have worked on my
wife, and always done fantastic work.

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So when we talked about doing this
podcast, I was excited. Therapeutic Wellness

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your new company Well it's been around
a little while, but new were in

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the last few years. For sure. It is I started it well,

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I started Therapeutic Wellness years ago,
but as it sits today, I started

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it about five years ago part time, yeah, that one day a week,

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right, about one day a week, yeah, and then I went

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full time in January of twenty twenty
three, January twenty And it was around

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twenty twenty when you were doing kind
of the one day a week thing.

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Twenty twenty had a lot of people
doing different things. You know, I

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started this podcast here where we're recording
right now in twenty twenty and people are

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always like, are you crazy?
That was a crazy time to start,

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but you know, it's worked out
for you, it's worked out for me.

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And so we're going to kind of
tell people a little bit about your

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history before we get into luck your
amazing business. There's a lot about your

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business that people may kind of be
familiar with, but we're going to dive

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deep into that and give them a
little more knowledge on it. But you

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grew up in New York, upstate
New York. I didn't realize it was

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upstate till I moved out of state. It was just New York then,

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huh and what city was that?
Schenectady. Yeah, and I had you

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say that because you wrote it,
and I'm like, I'm not even gonna

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try to pronounce that. I knew
that it's Connectedy. Yes, there you

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go it Schenectady, and guarantee there's
someone out there that's heard of that been

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there or maybe even be from there. But you graduated from pt school that

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was in the early nineties, Yes, and then you moved to Kentucky.

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Back then, they pets were in
the They're needed, and so a company

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from Kentucky paid for part of my
last year of school. Very good,

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very good. So you went there
and eventually, you know, you met

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a guy. I did after Kentucky, I did traveling therapy, and then

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I was in Hattiesburg, Mississippi,
and met my husband and came here.

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Yeah. And here you are in
Denham Springs and your husband is mister Patrick

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Jean and he has a good history
out here in Denham Springs area. Yes,

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he's I was from a good painting
family, the Harlan Painting Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm very familiar with them
and all very talented painters. And you

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have a daughter, yes, Joe
yes, all right. And I know

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one thing about you that you wrote
on here that we need to mention,

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and that's what you love traveling.
I do like to travel, yeah,

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all over the country, all over
the country. And and look, I

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thought I used to follow you.
Well, I still follow you on Facebook,

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but I used to go on your
Facebook and I would see where you're

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at. And that's how I play
my trips. I'm like, that looks

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like fun Natch's trace. That is
fun. It looked like fun. And

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you take great pictures, so that
was always nice. But you like hiking,

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so you're very active, try to
be yeah, So have you always

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been that way? Always been active? And I have been. I did

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Jane Fonda back in the day.
Yeah, put the lag warmers and that

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takes me. And I believe a
body in motion stays in motion. Yeah,

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absolutely, it's uh, you know, I've always believed it was kind

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of like a machine. You know, if you stop using it, you're

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gonna it's gonna fall apart on you. Right, yep. So you started,

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as we mentioned, therapeutic wellness in
January of twenty twenty, and you

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were kind of doing it one day
a week while you had another job.

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And you ended up eventually going full
time in it in January of twenty twenty

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three. Yes, tell me about
that. Tell me what the biggest challenge

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has been since you went full time
in it. Honestly, probably the biggest

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challenge is belief in myself. Yeah, yes, huh that surprises me.

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Well, we all have self worth, is absolutely. I was with the

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prior company for years, and I
was the face of that company for years,

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and when I was doing none,
they told me in January of twenty

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twenty three that I was no longer
needed to be there, and so there

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was my answer. But I had
been praying what do I do? And

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God help me figure out what I'm
supposed to do the most painless way possible.

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So I was let go and that's
what Cattile pulted me into doing this

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full time. And it's been phenomenal. If I hadn't been let go,

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I would always wonder, if things
got a little soul, maybe I should

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have done this. You just nailed
it. But now I know that I'm

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where I'm supposed to be or else. God want to shut that door because

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sometimes people need that. They have
to have that door shut to open another

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one. There's people out there that
are going to watch this that are in

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that situation. I cannot tell you
the amount of people that have sat across

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from me, and I've talked to
hundreds that have that same story that in

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some of them they they needed that
to really do what they were meant to

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be doing, right, And so, uh, you know, it's all

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in God's plan. And maybe God
knew that you're loyal, You're you know,

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I know who you are, and
so maybe he knew that, you

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know, sometimes you have to be
almost forced in that direction, right,

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And I was because I wouldn't have
left if I wasn't right exactly. So,

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Uh, Janie, we're twenty twenty
three, there you are, and

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you've got this business, and you
said, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

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stop. I'm gonna You know,
you're extremely highly educated, and we'll get

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into that a little bit as well. But it had to be a little

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figure in there for you. I
talk about it all the time. When

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I started this, I was,
you know, as as confident as I

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was in myself, and I knew
if I applied myself, I could do

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anything. Uh. I was praying
that phone. We're worrying. There's no

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doubt about it. Yeah, you
know, So you take off in January

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of twenty twenty three, and let's
talk about what you do. So I

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am a physical therapist. I learned
about the John Barnes Malfosh release process.

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I don't know that process is the
right word. Techniques maybe, Yeah,

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when I was in Peach School.
He's been around since the sixties, nineteen

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sixties, and he's still around.
I've taken many classes from him. Yeah,

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he's not teaching as much now.
In October, I have classes scheduled

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to be with him and hopefully he
will really. Oh that's cool. Yeah,

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that cool. So anyway, so
I learned about it in PT school,

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but they said this method is a
body mind connection and your clients may

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have emotional releases. And in my
young twenties, I'm like, what the

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heck am I going to do with
a client if she starts or he start

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to cry or something, you know, scared of tears. So I really

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didn't do a lot about that then, but I learned some of the techniques

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and I use them, some of
the structural techniques. And then when I

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moved here to Baton Rouge, I
looked for a therapist that did this,

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and I could not find one.
I probably took me till twenty sixteen to

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find one that was even in the
area. But I was working at the

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bat News General and we worked with
a lot with the burn unit. It's

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outpatient, so it was all soft
tissue scar management. And I worked with

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a lady and we worked with breast
cancer survivors and treatment from that, which

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is a lot of scarring. I
could see where you get your bedside manger

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from, because those are two very
tough especially the burning in it. Yeah,

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very tough field area to be involved
in work in. H You know,

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it's just what you think you would
think it is. It's a lot

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of pain, it is, and
by the time I saw them, a

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lot of that pain was. It
was different because it was healed, but

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it was all soft tissue. It
was all scarring and some of the stuff.

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The lady, the ot that I
worked with, had gone to some

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of his John's classes and she taught
me some stuff. And then I started

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doing some things and I didn't really
know what was happening. I just knew

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if I put my hands on people
and held them there for a while,

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things would shift and things would happen
and they'd feel better. So I'd would

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just say it's voodoo, you know, it's somefing the weazy. Yeah,

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that's all I was about to say. It's not, and it's it's Uh,

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I've done it. So It's one
thing I really like about doing this

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podcast with you is I can I
can speak from experience, and I'll do

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that in just a little while.
But I know what you mean. Yeah.

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So when I started going to his
classes, he put the science behind

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what I was doing. So I've
really been doing it longer than I've been

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trained by him. Yeah, So
it just but it doesn't fit well in

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a traditional physical therapy setting because it's
all one on one and you can't You've

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got to see one patient at a
time and you can't see multiple people at

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one time, right right, That
makes all the sense in the world.

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So for those that may not be
familiar, explain myophacia to the laeman.

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What does that mean? What does
it involve? So mile fascia is mile

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from muscle for fascia, So it's
a Actually someone a couple of years ago

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said it was the late newest organ
that was discovered, but it wasn't just

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recently discovered it was kind of funny. But anyway, when you skin a

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deer. We're from Livingston Parish here, so a lot of people have experience

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skinning an animal. There's that silver
skin, that shiny stuff that is your

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fascial system, and there's no beginning
or no end to it. That's all

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continuous. If you've seen it,
understand that. If you haven't, you

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yep. But almost everyone's seen the
chicken at least, and you take the

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skin off the chicken breast or the
chicken thigh or whatever, and there's still

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that shiny stuff that's the fascial system. So it's around the whole body,

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it's around each muscle and organ,
but then it goes down to the cellular

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level and it's in each cell membrane. So that makes it an integral web

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that's three D. That's the shape
of you, and it holds things into

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place. It has a biot in
segrety a component to it, which is

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a whole another podcast. But it
holds scends into a place, so your

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heart stays where your heart's supposed to
be, whether you're standing up, lying

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down, doing flips in the air, everything kind of stays. What's supposed

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to be because it's held into place
by that tense style structure of the fascial

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system. And if you think of
a bridge with the cables, that's the

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tension holds the bridge in place,
the tension from the cable. So if

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you think of that web inside of
us, it's that tension. So then

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there's also a fluid component of it
which is not seen any imaging, any

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mri CT ultrasound photograph. You cannot
see that. And that's the other eighty

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percent of the fascial system. And
that's where a lot of other practitioners they

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aren't aware of that because medicine and
anatomy was studied on avers and it's gone

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when we die, it's gone.
So the book that I have and I

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won't even try to pronounce his name, maybe you can put it somewhere in

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the comments in here. It was
published in twenty fourteen. So that's how

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new the science is of how what
it looks like under the skin of a

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live person versus someone a cadaver.
Yeah, so it's just a netting on

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us throughout your whole body, and
it conforms with your body. Yes,

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okay, And how would how would
someone know I need this service. What

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what are some warning signs that maybe
they need the service. I guess well,

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if you want to start with birth, sure you have the trauma of

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birth, of coming through. So
there's that trauma. We have trauma learning

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how to walk, we have trauma. I mean, even if you had

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an ideal, whatever ideal is upbringing, there's always traumas that come through.

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Sure, for Pete's sake, Now
everyone's on their phone leaning forward. There's

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something called cell phone neck. All
of that is our body wants to be

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efficient. So if we are in
a position for any period of time,

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it's going to harden. So that
fascial system, that ground substance should be

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slashy like water. You shake a
water bottle over time, it gets thick

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like honey. Yeah, so it
gets thicker, and then it can get

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like if you have real honey,
it will crystallize so it gets even firmer,

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and then it can get this firm
like sap that's been ambered, ambered

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sap if y all know what that
is, and that's hard. That's as

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hard as it. Yeah, it
looks like, yeah, it's marble.

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And so that can put up to
two thousand pounds of pressure on a structure

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and it won't show up on any
imaging. So why do people come and

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see me? Often that come because
they have pain somewhere, but some people

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come because they know of the component
that the body is as the emotions and

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the physical body are not separate.
So some people come for emotional reasons anxiety,

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depression, stress, stress, I
think, and this would be just

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a good part of this podcast to
interject. When I had it done,

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it was stress related. I was
just under a lot of stress, which

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was look, stress will kill you. You hear me, It will kill

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you dead. And you know business
owners have stress. I mean you were

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all with it, it's part of
it. But I was increasingly stressed.

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And I can tell you, I
don't know exactly what you did to Deestra

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to make that go away, but
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it was almost like I wanted to
a zone or something. It's it's really

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hard to explain, but stress will
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does, and that's what got me
studying this even more. After the flood

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of twenty sixteen, I realized people
are showing up with back pain, neck

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pain, shoulder pain, whatever pain
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I was treating was PTSD. Very
interesting and I realized that and that's a

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real thing with that flood it is, that is a real thing. I

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know people that when it rains they
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it's not outwardly, but inside there
watching the weather closely because they remember that

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and they got caught in the middle
last time and they don't want to get

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caught in the middle again. And
that's just one example of what can cause

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PTSD get one percent. Military guys
abuse, all kinds of things. Yeah,

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and it's it's probably one of the
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lot of times, especially men,
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PTSD on things. They consider it
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can I'm with you on that and
right. And when I first started,

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I was in a something just kind
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I started having panic attacks. I
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described to just happen to describe,
this is what happens to me. And

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I said, you're having a panic
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you don't know, right, So
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I knew it, thought, oh, that's what that is. So either

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I have to get out get help, or I can say, surely you're

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having a panic attack and do whatever
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I want to dig a little deeper
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you this question. Fibromilgia is that
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myophacia? It really does, and
it gives answers to a lot of the

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questions that the clients, clients people
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a book called the Fibro Manual,
which is phenomenal. It's written by a

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physician who diagnosed with fibromyalgia in medical
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how to treat it. And this
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a mile fascil system and stuff doesn't
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that. And that's the issue because
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but people are trained that they see
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and so they do an X ray
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going to fix your arm. But
if they can't see the injury, you

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know, a lot of people don't
know how to react to that. They

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don't know how to help you if
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ray, would you agree with that
they write because that's how they're trained.

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They're trained to fix the problem.
If they don't see a problem, they

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don't know how to fix it.
And the fascial system this way is new

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science, so they don't may not
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system works because it's not I mean, I learned John Barnes method in PT

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school in the early nineties, but
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I just learned these are his techniques. Well, and you're very limited in

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what you do, and that there's
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there is they practice that right there. There's four in the Baton Rouge,

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Livingston Parish, New Orleans area that
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that's limited. That's three and a
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that you know what for you,
I mean, it's deasently a good thing

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that you're in a you're in a
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I guess you could say so that
that is always a good thing. And

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I want to talk about the process. So if somebody maybe they're listening right

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now and they're saying, you know
what, I want to try that out

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because I'm, you know, maybe
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having some pain and I've tried everything
else and it's not working. Take me

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through the process of of what you
would do. There's a couple of ways.

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So you can go to my website
very easy, cherylg dot com.

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There you go spelled c A g
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and we're going to link it to
YEA. So if you're driving or

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something, just click the link when
you get home and you can schedule from

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there, or you can call or
text me and that'll be in the link.

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Also, texting is easier because I
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answer my phone while i'm working on
someone sure, and so if I'm between

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clients, I can quickly answer a
text. I can do that quicker than

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I can call. And you can
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me all those ways and I'll answer
as soon as possible. But I will

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say this sometimes I'll get out of
session, and I'll have like eighteen text

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message failing, and sometimes I go
to tuch someone something else, I'm like,

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oh, there's the message and it
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done that, or it slips down
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you know. Sometimes, So if
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it's because that's what's happened. Yeah, no doubt about it. And do

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people confuse this with like just typical
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Yes, exactly, So they're they're
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goalie with those two things, wouldn't
you agree? Yes? Yeah. So

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another interesting thing about what you do
that I didn't know until and I was

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glad you put this on on your
little questionnaire, was uh, that you

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can go to the patient. I
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they are, I do go.
I can't go to their to the to

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where they are. I prefer it
to be at a business. Yeah,

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so like customer appreciation, I can
bring my chair or I can bring my

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table. Honestly, I'm very picky
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I need to know them absolutely,
one hundred percent. Yes, being honest

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that's right. No, that's that's
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you know you're doing you're going to
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grain opening or something like that,
and it's she come there and and kind

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of show people how how it works
maybe or whatever. Or I can go

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and do a full treatment and set
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you can send you and see.
That would be me because what I hate

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is having to leave here. Having
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with me. You know, I
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So it's convenient for people like me
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But I was happy to see that
you also have a space at doctor

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Ripples. Yes, okay, sixteen
eighty Benton Lanes, corner of Florida and

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Benton. Let's talk about your education
real Q. So you got your doctorate.

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I did. Back when I went
to pet school, there was a

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doctorate wasn't available, so I got
my bachelor's. Then I went back and

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got my doctorate, I guess twenty
twelve. Yeah, and I'm a forever

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learner. Yeah. I think I
spent well, we won't say how much

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I spent a lot probably the past. Well, in twenty twenty. In

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twenty twenty one, it didn't take
as many classes, but in twenty two

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and twenty three I took over six
classes, so it was over. I

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remember, I can't do the math
that quick in my head. Yeah,

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but of continuing education because I just
believe in that, and that's formal classes

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that I've been to doesn't count anything
else. And you have a huge passion

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for it, which if you know
Ryl Jane, you know that already.

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But I'm telling y'all, I don't
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the human body and how it works
and more than you do. I mean,

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it just seems like that's something that
has intrigued you ever since fun Yeah,

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yeah, absolutely, and since the
ninth grade. That's when I decided

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I wanted to be a pet.
Yeah, that's pretty cool. I wanted

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to be a football player. In
most I thought I was gonna play for

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the Dallas Cowboys. So that's pretty
awesome that you're pretty much your entire life

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from the time you figure out what
you at least found it interesting, You've

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want to do this, and here
you are now and you're still doing it,

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yes, and making it happen.
Not only doing that, but your

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own business, you know, And
that's that's the beautiful thing there. As

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you said, you're a forever learner. You're someone that you love to learn

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new information. And I would imagine
in your field, something's always coming up.

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They're science is constantly learning, right, They're figuring new ways to do

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things. It is we will never
understand the total body, will never understand

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the whole body totally. And what
I've also learned is to always approach each

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class as a beginner. Yeah.
So I have retaken a class and last

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year and when the first time I
took it, I'm like, I knew

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most of that stuff. Yeah.
The second time I took it, I

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said, crap, I didn't know
anything. So I went back. I

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actually and I took it from the
same teacher. Yeah, And I went

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back and I looked, I said, the books cannot be the same,

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right, They're exactly the same.
But I came from a different standpoint.

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I was at a different part of
my life, a different part of my

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learning journey. I went in as
a beginner, and it was like a

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whole new class. Yeah, your
whole perspective changed. And that's interesting.

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You never step in the same river
twice. I like that. You never

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step in the same river twice.
That's a fact. Cheryl Jean knows a

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lot about a lot when it comes
to not only what she's doing with her

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business, but also other aspects of
that business. I took a class from

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you one time. I don't remember
what it was, but it wore me

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out. It might have been yan
yoga or something, some sort of class,

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and I was going, I was
the only guy in there, y'all.

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I was like, why am I
the only dude in here? But

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let me tell you. It was
challenging. It was about thirty minutes of

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all kinds of crazy stuff. That
might have been pie pia, That's what

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it was. Yeah, pia is
tough. It is really tough. But

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I had a great time doing it. I was sore for about a while.

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I needed the maya facient after that
you did. And and before we

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get on that topic with the maya
facia, if if you have soreness,

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you know, you work out or
something. Maybe maybe you ever do it

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a little bit, or you work
out for the first time in a long

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time, and everybody knows that three
day soreness after that where you can't lift

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your arm above your head because your
chest is hurting. Would that be something

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good for Yes, Okay. My
rule of thumb with my clients is I

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teach them. I teach them stretches
always. You can always try heater ice.

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Some people have portable tens units at
home and stretch and if it doesn't

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get better in two or three days, if it doesn't make a change,

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you need to get going and get
some help. Yeah, because the sooner

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you can get treated, the less
time it takes you to get back to

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where you want to be. Yeah, that's a that's a great point.

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So you do do some other things
and you teach you and yoga we brought

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that up earlier. Yeah, I
teach you in yoga. That is an

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extension of my table because what I
do on the table is three to five

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minute holds. So here at yan
yoga, you teach you learn how to

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do it yourself. Yeah, and
what is yan yoga? That's I'm actually

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going to change the name too,
or need to change the name to mile

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fashi in because some people get afraid
of yo yoga. Yeah, and they

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think it's too hard because of your
experience, which is plate's yoga yan yoga.

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If you think of yin and yang, most people understand that yang is

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how we live most of the time. You got to go, go,

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go, You gotta get this done, you got to meet this deadline.

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You got to push harder, you
got to lift harder, heavier, you

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got to run faster, and we
live in that. Sure. Yin is

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exact opposite, So you're going to
come in. The classes are usually about

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an hour long, and you change
positions twelve times, so every three to

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five minutes, do a little bit
of movement and then we go to a

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new position. So it's really a
good deep stretch that gets deep into the

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fascial system. It helps you learn
how to self treat. Yeah, very

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interesting, which brings me into some
other classes I teach other self treat classes.

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I had to do a hip and
back, one neck and shoulder.

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I do one called malfascial facial.
However, there's a connection between your face

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and your pelvis. Really, every
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are released. Really have to come
to class. Yeah, that's interesting,

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but I can teach other classes.
I can teach other classes depending on like

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if I went to a company and
they wanted something specific for their company because

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they're having injuries in a certain way, or they want to prevent injuries,

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or they want stress management, I
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that's what they want. Yeah,
you brought up earlier emotions in maya fascia.

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Have you ever experienced people just flat
out crying on you? People have

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cried, people have laughed, people
have sworn, people have screamed wow.

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And it doesn't It doesn't happen all
the time. A lot of times people

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just are chill. But we know
the emotion. We talk about it.

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Man, I'm so stressed my neck
is killing me, or got a stress

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headache, or or man I felt
it like a punch in the gut.

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We say these things with emotions and
pain. It's in our language. I

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think we just forgot that it lies
there. There's a book called The Body

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Keeps the Score, which really talks
about how your body keeps score of whatever

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life has happened to you. It's
a really neat book to listen to read.

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Interesting, Yeah, listen to or
read nowadays because you got both options.

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Yeah, and so let's talk about
TMJ's connection with pelvis. So that's

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what I was talking about because that's
class. In the mild fast facial class,

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we do something a technique for TMJ. But embryonically, your pelvis and

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your jaw were right together, and
then your spine has grown in between it,

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so there's a huge component there.
So it's usually if there's a rotation

408
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.799
or there's a problem at the pelvis, there's going to be a problem at

409
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.039
the jaw and in your temporal bones, and it's going to mirror what's happening

410
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.559
at your pelvis. That is so
interesting, and not only in that particular

411
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.240
example, but you and I were
talking off camera about how an injury can

412
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:56.200
feel like it's in one area and
it's actually in another. Usually where the

413
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.960
problem is is not where the symptoms
are. Is where you're feeling the pain

414
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.559
or feeling the itchen or feeling whatever
it is is usually not where the problem

415
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.240
is. Yeah, that's that's interesting. So if you're you know, you

416
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:13.680
could be robbing your your your arm
and it actually be your neck. It's

417
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.480
the issue. It could be your
neck. It could come from because of

418
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.119
that that, Yeah, because of
the intricate web. So if you think

419
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.640
of a sweater and then picture at
three D. If you pull a snag

420
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:35.200
in that sweater, it can go
in four hundred thousand different directions right minimum,

421
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.640
because there's all those different cells,
and it have fingers up, so

422
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.519
you might get a snag like say
your snag is a C section scar,

423
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:49.079
you might get a snag there.
Well, it can go into organs,

424
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:54.720
it can wrap around you know,
your digestive system, so things don't flow

425
00:32:54.920 --> 00:33:00.079
the way they need to flow Floapian
tubes. Stuff to flow in and flow

426
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:05.359
out of there to make a baby. And if the fascial system is tight

427
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.079
on there, it can crimp it
like a hose. But it can also

428
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.400
pull up into your shoulder. A
lot of times I'm working on the soas,

429
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.279
which is a deep muscle in your
back that I get to from your

430
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.319
front, and people feel it in
their neck. They'll feel it or their

431
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.319
face will get hot, or they
feel it in the opposite shoulder, or

432
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.720
they feel it down the other leg. I mean, you can it can

433
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.680
go literally any direction, and it's
just fascinating. Every client's a difference.

434
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.079
Let me ask you this, why
do you do this? Why do you

435
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:50.079
think you do I want to help
people live until they die I've watched so

436
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.279
many patients over the years, especially
with diabetes. You know, you go

437
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.519
and get the toe taken off,
and you get the below the knee and

438
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.680
then above the knee. Well,
that's something that you can see. But

439
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:08.199
a lot of us except aging as
something that just should happen. Okay,

440
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.239
well, now I can't run to
the mailbox. I have to walk.

441
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.920
Well, now I can't even walk
all the way to the mailbox. Now

442
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.880
I can't get out of my chair. All that stuff doesn't necessarily have to

443
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.440
happen, or you know what,
I'm just old. I'm going to have

444
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.880
aches and pains. Yeah, a
lot of people say that too, But

445
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.840
it's because that fascial system is thick. You know, when you're a kid

446
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.199
and you fell down the stairs,
you got up and you just went on

447
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:42.000
right. Once you hit your forties
or your fifties, you sleep funny and

448
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.199
you get out of bed and you
get a kink and you walk crooked for

449
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:50.280
three weeks. Yeah, but it's
because that that stuff that should be slashy

450
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.400
is thick. So I really want
people to help them to be able to

451
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.440
move and do what they want.
I want them to be able to play

452
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.639
with their grandkids. My mother there
ran It was raining outside, so she

453
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.840
ran from the car to the house
carrying my daughter who was two in her

454
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.400
seventies. Wow, my stepfather at
eighty four, laying on his belly in

455
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.719
the middle of the floor playing a
game with my daughter. She was about

456
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:19.800
four or five at the time,
and he just gets up. Yeah,

457
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.280
no grunting, no crawling over to
something to pull them himself up. He

458
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.519
just got up. My dad,
he passed away when I was sixteen.

459
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.760
He was always able to do and
had a heart of a child. So

460
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.360
I had great example in my parents. And that's really what I want to

461
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:45.280
help people do. Oh love that. Tell me about Regina Walker. Okay,

462
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.159
she is the local hero for that
to me. She would come to

463
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.880
see me and we'd go to schedule. Well, I got a schedule around

464
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:01.599
my personal trainer and my golf,
my golf instruction and whatever. I mean,

465
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.000
it's all these things that she because
she was forever learning, forever growing,

466
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:12.719
forever keeping herself mobile. And she
did that her whole entire life.

467
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.800
And I had actually heard that she
had a tea time scheduled when she went

468
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.440
into the hospital and had told her
her doctor that you have to get out

469
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.119
because I gotta go. I have
a tea time, I gotta go play

470
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.360
golf. And that's what I want
people to be able to do, is

471
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.320
to live, not just exist,
but to live. There's a difference in

472
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.239
there, there is, yeah,
and people accept existing because I think that's

473
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.519
all there is amen to that.
I agree with that one hundred percent.

474
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:45.360
And they they don't know any other
way, you know, they like you

475
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.519
say, they feel these pains and
they just assume. You know, this

476
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.360
comes with age and some things do. Look have I slowed down from the

477
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:59.159
time I was twenty, Yeah,
probably, but that doesn't mean I can't

478
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:05.039
do and so some cases do better
at this age. You'd be surprised what

479
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.719
some fifty year old people can do
in this world. I mean, you

480
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.679
really would. But you have to
believe it here and you have to do

481
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.559
what you have to listen to your
body and what it's telling you. And

482
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.719
I think I firmly believe that's where
you come in. And you're one of

483
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.360
a very limited group. I can't
say that enough. There's there's not a

484
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.840
whole lot of people that are masters
of what you do. And I've done

485
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.360
it, I can speak to it
and That's what I love about it.

486
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:45.639
It works, It really does work. Your slogan, forever learning, always

487
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:52.480
a beginner is very fitting for you
because you are forever learning. We just

488
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:58.000
discussed that you are someone that in
this field you have always seeked out knowledge

489
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.960
and always a begin so you always
look at everything. If you go you're

490
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.000
starting, If you go with a
beginner mindset, you can learn something.

491
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:08.320
If you go in that, I
know it all. You're not going to

492
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.039
learn the squat and you're going to
piss everyone off. Yeah, if you're

493
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.760
the smartest person in the room,
you're in the wrong room, right.

494
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.119
That's what someone said to me a
long time ago. And I believe that.

495
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.199
Let's talk about your networking. So
I believe, and I love featuring

496
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:32.719
people on this show that get back
also, I believe big time in networking.

497
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:42.159
You remember the Chamber Commerce I am. I've been a member probably eighteen

498
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.079
years. Yeah. Yeah, And
look, if you're a business owner and

499
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:52.760
you are not investing in your local
Chamber of Commerce here it's the Livingston Paris

500
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.079
Chamber of Commerce, you need to
look into it because they do a lot

501
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.880
of things behind the scenes to help
business owners and uh, and it's a

502
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.880
great. Uh, it's a great
avenue I learned from other business owners and

503
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.360
and uh you're also a member BE
and I Business Networking International. I was

504
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:14.599
a member of BE and I for
a very long time as well. And

505
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:20.000
uh, probably the best networking organization
out there in my opinion. Yeah,

506
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:25.559
if you're looking to build your business, B and I is by far superior

507
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.440
to anything else I've ever done.
The chamber is great for other reasons,

508
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:37.400
but for building business specifically, BE
and I is what And they have the

509
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.599
education and again I'm a forever learner, but they have the education built in

510
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.400
that helps you really succeed. Yeah, they really do. It is the

511
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.920
cure for the common cold call.
It is. I wish I could say

512
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.639
I coined that phrase. I did
not. Actually I got that from you

513
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.840
years ago, and you still say
that one I do. Yeah, So

514
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:06.280
you know, one on one treatment
is essentially what you do. We talked

515
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.840
talked earlier about the difference between conventional
I guess you could say physical therapy and

516
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.519
what you're doing where where a lot
of times it's group things. And many

517
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.039
of us have had surgeries and stuff
and they'll say, Okay, you need

518
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.599
to you need to do some physical
therapy for six months. You know,

519
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.280
you had a shoulder surgery and you
go and you left the whatever it is

520
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:28.960
y'all do I'm not gonna try because
you're gonna be like, oh my gosh,

521
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:36.719
cutting this out. But you physical
therapy right yourself. So the difference

522
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.360
between that and my faceship primarily is
this is one on one, uh,

523
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.559
and it's very I don't have intense
as the it is. It's intense,

524
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:54.480
it's a it's uh, it is
absolutely something where even if it's stress related,

525
00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:00.760
it maybe you you don't realize,
uh that that pain in your neck

526
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.760
is caused by stress. Headaches are
caused by stress a lot of times.

527
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.280
Yeah, I don't ever get headaches
except for every now and then, and

528
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:14.239
every time I get them it is
when I'm stressed. Right, So there's

529
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:19.039
I work well with traditional physical therapy
because they don't have time in the structure

530
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.840
of the business model of traditional physical
therapy to do hands on for thirty to

531
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:28.960
forty five to sixty minutes. Yeah, where that's what I do, and

532
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.880
that's what I was gonna You led
me right into that next question, which

533
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:39.480
was who were good referral partners for
you and traditional physical therapy gyms because I

534
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.800
still believe you've got to move and
you've got to exercise, and so I

535
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.960
do a lot with resolute Fitness.
Yeah, and a lot of the other

536
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.400
people over there. They are a
lot of the other local ERA gyms in

537
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.440
town. I know a lot of
them, so I can help guide people

538
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:05.280
to what fits their personality and their
location. So those are good referral sources.

539
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:12.000
Chiropractors because again, they don't have
the time necessarily to spend an hour

540
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.480
with their clients. Yeah, some
chiropractors spend four to six minutes. That's

541
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.719
what they have budgeted. Not all
of them, but quite a few that

542
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:30.000
I've talked to, so I can
compliment what they're doing. Would you if

543
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.719
someone has anxiety. We talked earlier
about PTSD, which is a form of

544
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.360
anxiety, but let's say some other
sort of anxiety. Maybe they're socially maybe

545
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.000
they have social anxiety. Some people
have that. I'm definitely not one of

546
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:49.119
those, but some people do.
For those people, your service good.

547
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.239
I've had a couple people that I
can think of right now that have come

548
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:58.800
to me for other reasons, and
anxiety was not one of them. One

549
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.199
was when I was in traditional therapy, and that's not something you typically go

550
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:10.960
to traditional physical therapy with. And
their anxiety was noticeably decreased, and when

551
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.960
they were telling me about it,
I realized it was from this treatment.

552
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.000
They didn't necessarily make the connection again, because that's not what you go to

553
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:24.920
traditional physical therapy for. But I
don't promise that anything we'll get fixed.

554
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.599
But I know, yeah, I
know it can help. I know,

555
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.800
I know it can help. Yeah, very good. So we do fun

556
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.639
facts on this shit. And when
I were at yours, I actually love

557
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.000
them. I loved the first one, and I want we do these just

558
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.400
so people can kind of get to
know somebody outside of just their business and

559
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:58.599
learn a little bit about their poor
personality. And I asked you, if

560
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.760
you had a yacht, what would
you name it? And you said,

561
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.199
enjoying the journey. That's perfect.
Yep, that's perfect, And that's you're

562
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.920
on a journey now, right Yep. I actually had had T shirt made

563
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.920
with it when I did my triathlon
because I knew I wasn't going to win,

564
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.400
and it was all about just having
fun while I was I was doing

565
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.760
doing the whole thing. Love that
joined the journey as much and as much

566
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.159
as I love that answer, I
loved your next one. I asked you

567
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.880
what were you? What were what
did you want to be when you were

568
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.320
like twelve? And you said,
I think I was in middle school.

569
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:37.679
All I was thinking about was clothes, shoes, and boys very good.

570
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.239
And that is probably most people at
that age, I believe it or not.

571
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.199
At one point. I remember back
when I was twelve thirteen, somewhere

572
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.079
around there, I wanted to be
a weather man. Could you see me

573
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.480
as a weather many? Tornado is
coming, everybody gets sheltered. I don't

574
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:02.360
know. Weather to me has always
intrigued men's yes go for I asked you

575
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.480
if you had any superpower, what
would it be if you could have any

576
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.000
superpower? And you said, and
this did not surprise me. You said,

577
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.719
to strengthen my intuition. So I
find this. You can tell a

578
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:22.559
lot about somebody. When you ask
them that question, they say, and

579
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.599
uh, you know, some people
say I want to I would like to

580
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:31.320
be invisible, or I would like
to fly. But typically, and this

581
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:37.559
is not something that is told to
anybody in advance, people in the health

582
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:45.760
care industry always answer similarly, so
it's always something that it's carrying that's something

583
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:52.639
that is an unselfish superpower, right. I mean I wanted to fly you

584
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.679
know some mind. I mean I
just wanted to fly around. But your

585
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.079
healthcare people typically it's more deep.
I guess you could say, when so

586
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.840
you're intuition, you want to you
would strengthen that, and that would be

587
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.360
that would be a great thing for
anybody to have. I asked you about

588
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.559
traveling, and you answer it just
how I thought you would. You said,

589
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.239
why lamit myself? I love Sedona
BAF. I've never been to BAF,

590
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.239
but my wife has It's beautiful.
Yes, that's what she says.

591
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.559
Canada and uh, never been there. I've been to Alaska and that's beautiful,

592
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.079
but she tells me BAF is gorgeous. Uh. If distance wasn't an

593
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:35.920
option. And you and I share
both of these places, Ireland and Iceland,

594
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.079
and I actually want to travel to
both of those both, especially Ireland.

595
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:43.400
I don't know what it is about
Ireland, but it just it's beautiful.

596
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.119
Yeah, it's green. Love it. You talked a little bit earlier

597
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.400
about how people can go about booking
with you Cheryl Jean dot Com, which

598
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.840
I'm gonna link in this podcast.
In the description and uh, so you

599
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.480
can go there. It'll give you
all the information you need on setting up

600
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:06.679
an appointment and trying it out for
yourself. Yes, anything else you want

601
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:10.840
to mention, No, thank you
for this opportunity. And this is something

602
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.960
you've had to experience. Yeah,
you alluded to it earlier. It's hard

603
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.400
to put into words. It's right
brain and left brain is the words,

604
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.719
so it's right brain work. It's
feeling. So people often don't have words,

605
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.800
so we tried to put some of
this into words, and you still

606
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.400
just have to experience it ready to
get the full effect. Yes, and

607
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.000
we want to tell them about your
upcoming events before we get out of here.

608
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.599
Okay, so tell us about that. I typically have yin yoga going

609
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.840
on so in July, and i'll
have that. I am for the first

610
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.639
time. I'm going to do some
film rolling classes. Upper body focus will

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be in August, lower body will
be the end of this month June,

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and then in September. I have
four class set up at Southeastern. I

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think their next fiscal year starts in
July, so you can sign up for

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those classes. Very good, and
that's Southeastern at Livingston right there in Walker.

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Yes, very good. Very good
and I'm always doing different things at

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different places, So you can check
out social media Facebook, absolutely, and

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I'm gonna put she's got a little
sheet in here with those upcoming events,

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y'all, and I'm gonna post that
on our social so that people can see

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that as well. Thank you,
Thank you for coming by, thank you

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for being you, and and uh, obviously I wish you all the success

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in the world, and I hope
people were able to get a little bit

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of clarification on how important what you
do is and those who need it reach

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out to her before we get out
of here. Also, I want to

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thank a guy by the name of
Matt Deckard. I want to shout him

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out. Look. He has been
following Local Leaders podcasts since the beginning.

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This guy shares all my stuff and
he is uh, he's just a great

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fan of the show that really goes
out of his way to make you know

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he appreciates local business. And I
really appreciate Matt Decker and just want to

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shout him out. So thank you, sir for all you do to help

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us get people like doctor Cheryl Jane
out there in their business. And until

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next time, I'm Jim Chapman.
Reminding you love your community, support local

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business, and keep leading. Thank
you very much,